Late yesterday I talked with Daniel Flitton, a senior correspondent with The Age, and Anthony Bubalo, Research Director at the Lowy Institute, about what lies ahead in foreign and national security policy under Prime Minister Turnbull. What started as a ten-minute chat lasted twenty minutes as we surveyed Turnbull's own views, the credentials and capabilities of his new defence minister, Marise Payne, and the possible appointment of Joe Hockey to the ambassadorship in Washington.